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		<title>By: Honey, I Shrunk the Startups! (Guide for Scoring TechCrunch 50 at Home) &#124; Redfin Corporate Blog</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Honey, I Shrunk the Startups! (Guide for Scoring TechCrunch 50 at Home) &#124; Redfin Corporate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gurley says an IPO isn&#8217;t worth the Sarbanes-Oxley headaches. Others are just waiting for the market to tick up. But if those were the real problems, we’d see [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gurley says an IPO isn&#8217;t worth the Sarbanes-Oxley headaches. Others are just waiting for the market to tick up. But if those were the real problems, we’d see [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Graves</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this challenge of the NYT. The optimist in me definitely is rooting for your theory over his! Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this challenge of the NYT. The optimist in me definitely is rooting for your theory over his! Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if its expected to be a weak VC quarter, there is no need for entrepreneurs to panic. There are ways to self-finance a company using some creative tactics. Big huge advertising budgets and customer support centers are absolutely not needed anymore with the advent of social media in the past 4 years. See here... www.readtheanswer.com/index.php?RTA=web2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if its expected to be a weak VC quarter, there is no need for entrepreneurs to panic. There are ways to self-finance a company using some creative tactics. Big huge advertising budgets and customer support centers are absolutely not needed anymore with the advent of social media in the past 4 years. See here&#8230; <a href="http://www.readtheanswer.com/index.php?RTA=web2" rel="nofollow">http://www.readtheanswer.com/index.php?RTA=web2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

I agree that there is a supply issue. I have been a CFO for 4 VC-backed companies (on my 5th now). Private is good. I dealt with SOX compliance while integrating my 3rd startup into its acquirer. What a nightmare!

The nightmare notwithstanding, I think we risk over analyzing this. It&#039;s one quarter. The fundamentals of both early stage investing and late stage exiting are not changed. Despite the credit crunch, i-bank writedowns, recession threat, etc. It&#039;s a timing issue and not a fundamental change.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I agree that there is a supply issue. I have been a CFO for 4 VC-backed companies (on my 5th now). Private is good. I dealt with SOX compliance while integrating my 3rd startup into its acquirer. What a nightmare!</p>
<p>The nightmare notwithstanding, I think we risk over analyzing this. It&#8217;s one quarter. The fundamentals of both early stage investing and late stage exiting are not changed. Despite the credit crunch, i-bank writedowns, recession threat, etc. It&#8217;s a timing issue and not a fundamental change.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Aruni Gunasegaram</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Aruni Gunasegaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - Saw you mentioned on Fred Wilson&#039;s blog, which I read often. Not sure if you remember me, but you were a judge on a MOOT Corp panel for my first venture, Isochron Data Corp., back in 1998 here at UT Austin.

I&#039;ve done a few things since then (feel free to check out the About page on my blog) the most important being having two kids!

I just joined ATI a few weeks ago to help them with their Operations and Finance.

Next time you are in Austin, let me know and if you have time, I&#039;d love to meet up.

With regards to this post, I agree with it being supply issue and entrepreneurs and directors alike not wanting to manage a public company.  What would be interesting is to examine the social reasons behind that in addition to Sarbanes Oxley, etc.

Aruni</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; Saw you mentioned on Fred Wilson&#8217;s blog, which I read often. Not sure if you remember me, but you were a judge on a MOOT Corp panel for my first venture, Isochron Data Corp., back in 1998 here at UT Austin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done a few things since then (feel free to check out the About page on my blog) the most important being having two kids!</p>
<p>I just joined ATI a few weeks ago to help them with their Operations and Finance.</p>
<p>Next time you are in Austin, let me know and if you have time, I&#8217;d love to meet up.</p>
<p>With regards to this post, I agree with it being supply issue and entrepreneurs and directors alike not wanting to manage a public company.  What would be interesting is to examine the social reasons behind that in addition to Sarbanes Oxley, etc.</p>
<p>Aruni</p>
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		<title>By: Will the Last High-Tech IPO Please Turn out the Lights? &#124; Redfin Corporate Blog</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Will the Last High-Tech IPO Please Turn out the Lights? &#124; Redfin Corporate Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of prominent venture capitalists, including Fred Wilson and now Bill Gurley, are writing this week about the dearth of IPOs first reported by Matt Richtel in the New York [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Spencer Rascoff</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer Rascoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

Welcome back. 

I completely agree. It&#039;s a supply problem not a demand problem. Obviously the buyside still has strong demand for successful pre-IPO companies -- look at how many mutual funds and hedge funds are leading late stage private rounds. Two of Zillow&#039;s VCs fall into this category -- PAR Capital and Legg Mason.

Others who have argued that it&#039;s a supply problem frequently point to SarBox or RegFD. And clearly the more onerous regulatory environment has complicated things and made it more challenging to run a public company. But there are other challenges also -- the grind of hitting quarterly numbers under a microscope, and of course activist hedge funds which are increasingly targeting tech companies in ways that they never used to -- witness YHOO and CNET.

Has anyone seen data on total VC$ raised per company before liquidity? I&#039;m wondering whether it&#039;s really true that web2.0 requires less capital. (That&#039;s obviously the lore, but is it actually the case?) If so, then the IPO drought is less of a problem because employees and VCs can still earn healthy returns through M&amp;A exits (which typically happen earlier and at lower prices).

I agree with Bryan&#039;s comment -- &quot;it seems most web entrepreneurs&#039; dream today is to sell to Google for $100M, not IPO at $1B&quot;. That&#039;s spot on. But it presupposes a small amount raised in order for the $100M sale to be a successful exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Welcome back. </p>
<p>I completely agree. It&#8217;s a supply problem not a demand problem. Obviously the buyside still has strong demand for successful pre-IPO companies &#8212; look at how many mutual funds and hedge funds are leading late stage private rounds. Two of Zillow&#8217;s VCs fall into this category &#8212; PAR Capital and Legg Mason.</p>
<p>Others who have argued that it&#8217;s a supply problem frequently point to SarBox or RegFD. And clearly the more onerous regulatory environment has complicated things and made it more challenging to run a public company. But there are other challenges also &#8212; the grind of hitting quarterly numbers under a microscope, and of course activist hedge funds which are increasingly targeting tech companies in ways that they never used to &#8212; witness YHOO and CNET.</p>
<p>Has anyone seen data on total VC$ raised per company before liquidity? I&#8217;m wondering whether it&#8217;s really true that web2.0 requires less capital. (That&#8217;s obviously the lore, but is it actually the case?) If so, then the IPO drought is less of a problem because employees and VCs can still earn healthy returns through M&amp;A exits (which typically happen earlier and at lower prices).</p>
<p>I agree with Bryan&#8217;s comment &#8212; &#8220;it seems most web entrepreneurs&#8217; dream today is to sell to Google for $100M, not IPO at $1B&#8221;. That&#8217;s spot on. But it presupposes a small amount raised in order for the $100M sale to be a successful exit.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internal audits that I have visibility into that are a result of Sarbanes-Oxley are a joke.  Estimates just get moved to different areas.  Paperwork is shuffled with a lack of real investigation.  Management pressures finance.  It never stops.  Baby boomers have a high resistance to being regulated.  Their main purpose in life is to get ahead by skirting the rules.  If they can technically justify something, they&#039;ll do it regardless of the larger ramifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internal audits that I have visibility into that are a result of Sarbanes-Oxley are a joke.  Estimates just get moved to different areas.  Paperwork is shuffled with a lack of real investigation.  Management pressures finance.  It never stops.  Baby boomers have a high resistance to being regulated.  Their main purpose in life is to get ahead by skirting the rules.  If they can technically justify something, they&#8217;ll do it regardless of the larger ramifications.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Kane</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Kane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not sure i follow your logic. if there is no demand problem (makes sense to me) and no supply problem (witness the benchmark portfolio), it is easy to suppose that SOX and other &quot;lifestyle&quot; issues are the gating factor.

except for one thing. as far as i can tell there is no shortage of talented pople who want to run or be officers or shareholders or principles or insiders of companies that are already public

so if your analysis is correct then why aren&#039;t great talented people being recruited from existing public companies to get healthy private companies listed?

i&#039;m not privy to enough info to be sure but at a distance i&#039;m more with the infectious greed analysis -- benchmark may be an exception but it stands to reason that the vast majority of vc fund portfolio companies are in no shape to be a sustainable public company -- regularly growing their businesses and increasing earnings and margins etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not sure i follow your logic. if there is no demand problem (makes sense to me) and no supply problem (witness the benchmark portfolio), it is easy to suppose that SOX and other &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; issues are the gating factor.</p>
<p>except for one thing. as far as i can tell there is no shortage of talented pople who want to run or be officers or shareholders or principles or insiders of companies that are already public</p>
<p>so if your analysis is correct then why aren&#8217;t great talented people being recruited from existing public companies to get healthy private companies listed?</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not privy to enough info to be sure but at a distance i&#8217;m more with the infectious greed analysis &#8212; benchmark may be an exception but it stands to reason that the vast majority of vc fund portfolio companies are in no shape to be a sustainable public company &#8212; regularly growing their businesses and increasing earnings and margins etc.</p>
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		<title>By: VCs Respond to The Venture Capital Crisis : The Drama 2.0 Show</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2008/06/30/bleak-vc-quarter-why/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>VCs Respond to The Venture Capital Crisis : The Drama 2.0 Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gurley of Benchmark Capital blames regulation: This passionate desire to be public is completely gone in Silicon Valley. For reasons [...]</description>
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