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	<title>Comments on: I Do Not Believe that Zappos Was &#8220;Forced&#8221; to Sell</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Schwartz</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/07/27/i-do-not-believe-that-zappos-was-forced-to-sell/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Schwartz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill 
Love your analysis and my gut says you are spot on, that everyone was on board for this deal.  Yet aside from this deal, Speaking of Shoes, I have heard of (know of and experienced one) Venture deals structured with a Put at a multiple of invested dollar if there is not a liquidity event in X period of time. This essentially is forcing liquidity or a buyout of VC holdings at a large multiple.. but those were bubble days gone by...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill<br />
Love your analysis and my gut says you are spot on, that everyone was on board for this deal.  Yet aside from this deal, Speaking of Shoes, I have heard of (know of and experienced one) Venture deals structured with a Put at a multiple of invested dollar if there is not a liquidity event in X period of time. This essentially is forcing liquidity or a buyout of VC holdings at a large multiple.. but those were bubble days gone by&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bgurley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bgurley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No redemption right was in play in this scenario.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No redemption right was in play in this scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie K</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re probably right on the main subject of this post, however this doesn&#039;t sound right -- &quot;I am unaware of any “you must sell now” clause in any corporate documents.&quot;  Many preferred term sheets carry a &quot;redemption right&quot; which when exercise can force the Board to seek liquidity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right on the main subject of this post, however this doesn&#8217;t sound right &#8212; &#8220;I am unaware of any “you must sell now” clause in any corporate documents.&#8221;  Many preferred term sheets carry a &#8220;redemption right&#8221; which when exercise can force the Board to seek liquidity.</p>
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		<title>By: bgurley</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/07/27/i-do-not-believe-that-zappos-was-forced-to-sell/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bgurley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So a BOD member talks to head of corp dev at a major company and you call that &quot;forced&quot; a deal.  You guys are seeing ghosts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So a BOD member talks to head of corp dev at a major company and you call that &#8220;forced&#8221; a deal.  You guys are seeing ghosts.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Leder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle Leder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But how do you explain away this statement in the S-4 that Amazon filed on Monday?

&quot;On February 23, 2009, Mr. Moritz called Mr. Blackburn and Mr. Krawiec to discuss a potential business combination of Amazon and Zappos and Mr. Moritz’s history of working with the Zappos management team.&quot;

As I wrote on my site &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, it&#039;s not exactly a smoking gun. But it&#039;s not nothing either.

Also to @James, the S-4 makes it pretty clear that Amazon reached out to Zappos back in 2005.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how do you explain away this statement in the S-4 that Amazon filed on Monday?</p>
<p>&#8220;On February 23, 2009, Mr. Moritz called Mr. Blackburn and Mr. Krawiec to discuss a potential business combination of Amazon and Zappos and Mr. Moritz’s history of working with the Zappos management team.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I wrote on my site <a>here</a>, it&#8217;s not exactly a smoking gun. But it&#8217;s not nothing either.</p>
<p>Also to @James, the S-4 makes it pretty clear that Amazon reached out to Zappos back in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Evening Reading: MicroHoo and the Problem of Integration - Deal Journal - WSJ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evening Reading: MicroHoo and the Problem of Integration - Deal Journal - WSJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/07/27/i-do-not-believe-that-zappos-was-forced-to-sell/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WSJ&#039;s Venture Capital Dispatch blog has a nice summary of all the details:
http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2009/07/27/amazon-discloses-more-details-around-zappos-acquisition/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSJ&#8217;s Venture Capital Dispatch blog has a nice summary of all the details:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2009/07/27/amazon-discloses-more-details-around-zappos-acquisition/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2009/07/27/amazon-discloses-more-details-around-zappos-acquisition/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bijan sabet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bijan sabet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[agreed.

I had the same feeling as you about this one. shared my thoughts a couple of days ago.

http://bijansabet.com/post/147548060/did-sequoia-force-zappos-to-sell]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed.</p>
<p>I had the same feeling as you about this one. shared my thoughts a couple of days ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://bijansabet.com/post/147548060/did-sequoia-force-zappos-to-sell" rel="nofollow">http://bijansabet.com/post/147548060/did-sequoia-force-zappos-to-sell</a></p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[james]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill - you are spot-on with this analysis.  My understanding, off the record, is that Amazon made a run at Zappos back in 2006 which the company rebuffed. Amazon then built Endless at great expense. The problem is that Amazon can&#039;t get access to premium brands (like Nike) who would sell to Zappos. 

Now, for Zappos to compete successfully, they need to invest significant capital in IT and infrastructure, capital and dollars it didn&#039;t have at the time. Zappos could have raised more money though debt but that would most likely occur at less than desirable terms in the current environment.  It could tap public markets, but again, probably not good timing.  It could go into harvest mode and invest modest amounts until the economy stabilizes and then tap the public markets.  But doing so would put it years away from exploiting the fruits of the technology investment.  So, selling out to proven industry leader like Amazon gives them much needed access to technology expertise at precisely the right time to exploit it; and it offers Amazon much needed access to brands and assortment as well as a foothold (pardon the pun) in the apparel space where it has struggled. If both sides are smart, they will continue to operate independently. 

Regarding valuation, Tony was always resolute in stating gross sales.  Net sales of 620m implies a 38% return rate, an extraordinary number.  To get that number reduced, the company needs to improve its technology to better match buyers to products or improve average order value / units per transactions.  Both are areas where Amazon&#039;s technology can make a major difference.   Zappos generated a $40m operating income last year, implying a 20x valuation at 860m.  The acquisition seems very fairly valued.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; you are spot-on with this analysis.  My understanding, off the record, is that Amazon made a run at Zappos back in 2006 which the company rebuffed. Amazon then built Endless at great expense. The problem is that Amazon can&#8217;t get access to premium brands (like Nike) who would sell to Zappos. </p>
<p>Now, for Zappos to compete successfully, they need to invest significant capital in IT and infrastructure, capital and dollars it didn&#8217;t have at the time. Zappos could have raised more money though debt but that would most likely occur at less than desirable terms in the current environment.  It could tap public markets, but again, probably not good timing.  It could go into harvest mode and invest modest amounts until the economy stabilizes and then tap the public markets.  But doing so would put it years away from exploiting the fruits of the technology investment.  So, selling out to proven industry leader like Amazon gives them much needed access to technology expertise at precisely the right time to exploit it; and it offers Amazon much needed access to brands and assortment as well as a foothold (pardon the pun) in the apparel space where it has struggled. If both sides are smart, they will continue to operate independently. </p>
<p>Regarding valuation, Tony was always resolute in stating gross sales.  Net sales of 620m implies a 38% return rate, an extraordinary number.  To get that number reduced, the company needs to improve its technology to better match buyers to products or improve average order value / units per transactions.  Both are areas where Amazon&#8217;s technology can make a major difference.   Zappos generated a $40m operating income last year, implying a 20x valuation at 860m.  The acquisition seems very fairly valued.</p>
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		<title>By: bgurley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bgurley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i understand the point you are making but find the use of the word &quot;forced&quot; there rather misleading.  Tony was a very large shareholder and as a result receives hundred of millions of dollars in this deal.  Tony would be required to &quot;understand&quot; his opportunity set as a result of complying with Delaware law (i.e. fiduciary duty).  None of which constitutes forcing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i understand the point you are making but find the use of the word &#8220;forced&#8221; there rather misleading.  Tony was a very large shareholder and as a result receives hundred of millions of dollars in this deal.  Tony would be required to &#8220;understand&#8221; his opportunity set as a result of complying with Delaware law (i.e. fiduciary duty).  None of which constitutes forcing.</p>
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