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Silicon Valley’s IPO Anxiety

November 15, 2010:

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If you could travel back in time to the early 1990’s and ask Silicon Valley’s top entrepreneurs and private company executives about their long-term career ambitions, you would hear a constant theme – they all wanted to be part of an Initial Public Offering (IPO). Back then, taking a company public, either as a CEO, CFO, or founder, held an allure similar to that of a young athlete dreaming of making it in the major leagues. Clearly, not everyone was able to go public, but that of course added to appeal. Everyone still wanted to go public. They all dreamed of playing on the business world’s biggest business stage.

A great deal has changed since then. First, we lived through the peculiar time now known as the Dot-com bubble, where the elite requirements for going public were greatly reduced. This was followed by a period of heavy regulation where many aspiring startups felt as if they were absorbing the burden of sins committed by the likes of Enron and WorldCom, two companies that are far away from Silicon Valley. If you believe what you read, we now live in a world where young entrepreneurs have a more cynical view of the IPO and being public in general. It is common today to read a phrase like “You don’t have to go public early to provide liquidity to early investors or employees.” It is critical to consider just how far away “don’t have to” is from “want to” or “dream of”.

How Did It Get This Bad?

There are many potential causes of this widespread pessimism. First and foremost, going public and being public are not nearly as much fun as they once were. The combination of a rise of ambulance-chaser shareholder lawsuits, Sarbanes-Oxley, the requirement for CEO and CFO signatures on financial filings, and limited personal trading flexibility has unquestionably made being public less enjoyable for executives. Increased bureaucracy and red-tape almost never lead to increased enthusiasm.

We may also have a perturbed notion of what a “healthy” IPO market looks like. For many, the go-go days of the late 1990’s stick in their mind as the definition of a strong IPO market. Unfortunately, the IPO market of 1999 was a myth, a façade, a once-in-a-lifetime mirage that you will never see again. While that period was economically fruitful, it was clearly manic and a long, long way from being healthy. Moreover, it was completely and utterly unsustainable. It also may have “cheapened” our view of the IPO. If anyone and everyone can go, it is no longer a heroic accomplishment.

One recent argument knocking the IPO is as follows: Wall Street is too short-term focused, and that if you want to run your company for the long-term you should remain private. There are three great reasons that this “can’t focus on the long term” argument falls short — Jeff Bezos, Marc Benioff, and Reed Hastings. All three of these amazing entrepreneurs turned CEOs took their company public on a standard IPO time frame. They also all three conveyed to Wall Street that they would postpone short-term earnings results in order to chase a greater long-term objectives and ambitions. The intelligent mutual fund investors that were swayed by their convincing arguments (there were many) were handsomely rewarded. Furthermore, Bezos, Benioff, and Hastings all three used “being public” as a bully-pulpit to tell their version of their industry’s story, thereby aiding their advantage. If you are unconvinced go ask Steve Riggio, Tom Siebel, or Blockbuster CEO Jim Keyes.

Certainly one contributor to the negativity surrounding the Silicon Valley view of the IPO market is the negative perception of the local press echoing off the hillsides of the Santa Cruz mountain peaks. Over the past several years, it has become quite common to read Silicon Valley articles and blog-post offering near-eulogies of the high-tech IPO. TechCrunch refers not to simply the “IPO” but to the “dreaded IPO,” or the “Poor, Pilloried, Tech IPO.” Famed early stage investor and typically glass-half-full blogger Fred Wilson recently penned “IPOs Just Aren’t What They Used To Be.” The San Francisco Chronicle stated that the “market for initial public offerings remains badly broken,” and the ecosystem “..has been destroyed.” And despite the numerous successful IPOs in the last two years that have supposedly put an “end to the IPO drought,” the only thing that doesn’t seem to go away is the use of the phrase “IPO drought.” If that were not enough, the NVCA (National Venture Capital Association) argues the situation is so dire that we need a Four Pillar Plan To Restore Liquidity. The pessimism is consistent and deafening. The glass isn’t simply half-empty; everyone seems to think there is a hole in the bottom of it.

How Bad Is It Really?

A more optimistic eye can see that the IPO data is actually improving. This quote from the NVCA’s second quarter update is rather straightforward:

Venture-backed company exit activity showed continued momentum during the second quarter of 2010, with the best quarterly total for venture-backed Initial Public Offerings (IPOs) since the fourth quarter of 2007, according to the Exit Poll report by Thomson Reuters and the National Venture Capital Association (NVCA). The quarter ended with 17 venture-backed IPOs, marking the third consecutive quarter for increased offerings, by number and by dollar amount.

Looking at the Q3-2010 NVCA data included above, you can see that 2010 is markedly improved over 2009. We have already tripled all of last year in the first three quarters of this year. Moreover, with a healthy Q4, we could meet or beat the annual numbers from 2005 and 2006. If you limit the data to VC backed companies in the U.S. in high technology (leaving out Pharma and bio med; which is different from the above), there were five in 2008, twelve in 2009, and 25 year-to-date in 2010. These data points are clearly up and to the right. And while they may not hit the bar we are looking from for a cyclical market high point, it surely makes it hard to say the IPO market is fatally flawed. And it unquestionably not “closed.”

The Majority of Recent IPOs Are Outside of Silicon Valley

U.S. High Technology / VC Backed IPOs Since the Beginning of 2008 (XLS)

The Excel spreadsheet embedded above contains a detailed look at all of the high-tech VC backed U.S. IPOs since the beginning of 2008. There is some very surprising data in this table. First, these IPOs have performed relatively well since their initial offering. On average, these IPOs have averaged 55.9% in price appreciation since their IPO date. This represents almost $14B of post IPO value creation as a group. Moreover, 19 of the 42 companies are worth over $1B. A full nineteen VC-backed companies with recent IPOs are now worth over $1b!  The press that keeps yearning for the next “big” IPO in Silicon Valley and complaining about the health of the IPO market, doesn’t spend much time talking about RackSpace ($3.3B market cap), RealPage ($1.8B market cap), GreenDot ($2.2B), or Ancestry ($1.1B) – all recent IPOs that have traded up quite nicely since they went public. Maybe there is a reason for this.

Is there any chance that the negative IPO sentiment that is reverberating through Silicon Valley is actually having an impact on the local IPO volume? One might expect, that as the epicenter of innovation, Silicon Valley would warrant more than its fair share of IPOs. But the data shows the exact opposite (see table below). In this same spreadsheet of recent IPOs, we have highlighted whether each company has its headquarters here in Silicon Valley or elsewhere in the United States. The shocking reality is that only 11 of the 42 high-tech, venture backed IPOs since 2008 reside in Silicon Valley. In other words, 74% of these IPOs hail from outside of the SV echo chamber.  If you look at the data in terms of initial IPO value, 78% of the overall value is from outside SV. In terms of value today its 73.5% (SV IPOS have outperformed those outside SV).  Perhaps these out-of-market IPOs aren’t well covered within Silicon Valley, and perhaps the negative IPO sentiment isn’t well heard outside of it. Our pessimism may have led to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Demand or Supply Problem?

There is an interesting commentary at the end of the San Francisco Chronicle article that we previously discussed. “Brent Gledhill, with William Blair & Co., a small investment bank in Chicago, said he has buyers for small IPOs, but can’t get sellers.”  This argument, which was also supported by Paul Deninger of Jefferies, suggests that we have a “supply” problem, not a demand problem. He has BUYERS but not SELLERS. The problem is not that Wall Street doesn’t want product, it is the opposite; that we are not offering them enough of it. While it is clearly a chicken-egg argument, you simply cannot have a healthy IPO market if the leading high-quality companies are unwilling to file. The problem may be attitudinal, not structural.

To this point, and perhaps ironically to some, most of the people I know that work in high tech mutual funds and hedge funds would like to see more IPOs not less. They are tired of trading the same large technology names that are showing limited equity returns over the past 10 years, and have very low growth opportunities/ambitions. If you look at the the forward revenue growth estimates for technology bellwether stocks you may be surprised: Intel (3.5%), HP (5.6%), Microsoft (6.8%), Cisco (11.1%),Ebay (11.4%), and Yahoo (3.3%). And many of these stocks are flat to down for the past decade! Even Google, the youngest of the large cap tech plays has a go forward growth estimate of below 20%. As you can imagine, these traditional “must have” technology names are not contributing to mutual fund outperformance the way they once did. Fund managers desperately need more exposure to growth. They also crave exposure to new trends like social networking and mobile computing, but with limited IPOs they have limited ways to invest in these new innovative trends. They simply need more “quality” product.

Valuations Are “Higher” in the Public Market

As a result of this scarcity of growth across the broader set of public companies, strong category leaders like OpenTable, GreenDot, Realpage and Ancestry.com are seeing healthy valuations in the public market. These high growth Internet leaders trade at PE multiples (30-50x) that are roughly twice that of Internet leaders Microsoft, Yahoo, Ebay, and even Google. The IPO market is currently paying a substantial premium over the M&A market (the exact opposite of what you read). The same large companies that are struggling to find growth have reduced valuation multiples (P/E, P/S). This in turn makes it hard for them to pay strategically high prices in an acquisition. Therefore, entrepreneurs that follow the advice from the San Francisco Chronicle, and are “looking to be acquired” may be leaving ample money on the table.

As an example, drill down on RealPage, a Dallas based leader in SAAS solutions for property management companies. It is currently trading at $1.86B after a successful August IPO. They currently trade at about 8.7X annualized Q2 revenue. Which potential acquirer would pay this valuation for a private vertical industry specific SAAS play? Do you think Salesforce, who has never done a large acquisition, would? Do you think Oracle (who trades at 3.5x sales would)? What about SAP (3.8X sales)? IBM (1.7x sales)? Or consider GreenDot which went public in July and currently trades at a $2.2B market capitalization. This valuation equates to roughly 6 times 2010 revenues. Do you think American Express (currently trades at 2X revenues) would have offered that in a private transaction?  What about Ancestry.com?  This recent Internet IPO is currently trading at a market capitalization of $1.17B. Which large Internet company would have paid close to $1B for Ancestry? None is my answer.

We should also consider DataDomain, 3Par, and Arcsight, all companies with remarkable sell-side M&A transactions who went public BEFORE engaging in an M&A transaction. Being public is a wonderful way to establish a baseline valuation in an eventual corporate sale. There is no chance someone would make an offer at or below the current market price, as the expectation is to pay a market premium. And because the BOD has a very high duty in terms of maximizing shareholder value, these deals are often seen by multiple bidders and therefore more likely to be competitive than a private transaction. Lastly, and not to be ignored, public company sales have zero escrow provisions. These escrows typically put at risk 10-15% of the transaction value when a private company is acquired. Being public before you get acquired can be extremely valuable.

Your Company Is Not Facebook

A large contributor to the negative IPO press is Facebook’s definitive view that it prefers to postpone its IPO well into the future. Recent comments suggest an IPO may be put off until 2012. As a top three worldwide Internet site, the press is obviously interested in what Facebook wants to do. Also, because of its huge impact, and the emerging trend of social networking, the buy-side is quite interested in owning Facebook. The demand for an IPO, were one to happen, would be enormous. And that is probably an understatement. However, it is critical to put this in perspective relative to everyone else.

Facebook is the exception not the rule. They can do what they want when they want. They can raise money privately at any time if they feel the need to do a cash acquisition. There are literally firms willing to wait in line to give them money. They can hold a press events and everyone comes, so they certainly do not need to be public to broadcast their message. However, they are also a miserable proxy for the average private company CEO and BOD to consider. Your company is not like Facebook, and it should not build its IPO plans based on what Facebook does or does not do.

Things Are Looking Up

This entire problem may be self-correcting. The BOD and executives from the companies that have not gone public have certainly noticed the successful offerings, post-market performance, and valuations of the IPOs mentioned herein. As such many of these executives are now marshalling the forces for their own IPO. As an example, Betfair, a long awaited IPO in the UK (congrats @jdh) just went public and had strong results. Skype and ZipCar have filed, and all indications are that LinkedIn is working on its own filing. There is also a good chance that companies like AutoTrader and eHarmony will come public soon, and there have been multiple rumors of IPOs at companies such as Hulu and Pandora.

In addition, the very recent press seems to also be singing a different tune than the dire press from this summer.  Check out the following headlines from the last few weeks:

I recently had the opportunity to hear the story of how Tim Sullivan, the former leader of Match.com, went into Ancestry.com five years ago as CEO.  At the time, the company’s growth had slowed and many had assumed it had seen its better days. Tim and his team and began a multi-year turn-around that would eventually lead to last year’s respectable IPO. Last week, the company completed a successful secondary offering. Tim shared with me all of the amazing work that went into reigniting this market leader (a very impressive story), but I was most surprised when he talked about the IPO process. His face broke out into this huge grin as he described watching the stock trade that first day. You could clearly see the type of IPO enthusiasm that once reigned supreme in Silicon Valley. For Tim, the dream was still alive, and more importantly he was able to turn his dream into reality.

Waves of pessimistic analysis can become self-reinforcing and began to influence rather than just inform. That appears to be the case with respect to local attitudes towards high-tech IPOs. Next time you hear someone talking about how broken the IPO market is, please let him or her know that despite what you read, many great companies are going public and are having remarkable success. And if they still doubt you, tell them reach out to Steven Streit at GreenDot, Zorik Gordon at ReachLocal, Doug Valenti at QuinStreet, or any of the 38 other CEOs who recently stood up and walked through the door that everyone else says isn’t open. Their story should be at least as compelling as focusing on the few companies that don’t seem all that interested.

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  1. khetal November 16, 2010

    An extremely well researched article which would be useful to any high growth tech startup facing issues of liquidity.

    The counter argument seems to have been played down though. Then again this Blog does belong to a VC!

    • Doug Pepper November 16, 2010

      Great post Bill. Congrats on Grubhub. Love their site/service.

  2. Adrian Scott November 16, 2010

    Great post and analysis. Now that’s a call to action!

    It’d be interesting to imagine a graph of non-public versus public equity over time and consider what percentage of equity the average investor has the opportunity to share(hold) in. (And perhaps alongside that, graphs of returns for each of those two segments, and then also graphs of regulatory ‘drag’ too)

  3. Harry DeMott November 16, 2010

    I had lunch with Paul Wick a few months ago, and he was saying that with the downfall of Raj at Galleon – there just weren’t that many tech focused funds anymore.

    The dotcom bubble and subsequent bust took many of these guys out – and they were never replaced.

    Former growth managers saw assets dwindle and they become distressed credit guys.

    So there is clearly a supply issue – as you mention – but there is also a category problem at the demand side as well. A chicken and the egg sort of issue that will be easily remedied by names like Open Table, Netflix, etc… People want returns – and growth investing is one place to get them – albeit at a steep price of admission.

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  5. Spencer Rascoff November 16, 2010

    Keep up the good work Bill. Some days you seem like a one-man-IPO-cheerleading-session. But you know that I agree with you, so keep up the drumbeat.

  6. Glenn Kelman November 16, 2010

    This is the best article on IPOs I’ve read in a decade, and it provides data to support arguments we’ve made at Redfin before:
    “But the real headline isn’t the dearth of IPOs itself, but the fact that some of the smartest people in VC are fine with it. It’s like the PGA moved the Masters to a pitch-and-putt, and Tiger Woods applauded the decision.”

    What’s interesting to me about the shift of IPOs away from Silicon Valley is that companies with less access to late-stage venture and private equity are more likely to pursue an IPO.

  7. fred wilson November 16, 2010

    great post Bill

    i posted some reactions on AVC today


  8. JJ freitag November 16, 2010

    Bill – great post. One of the best I have read in quite some time. Two things jumped out at me. Investors will pay for growth public or private and there are great companies starting everywhere and the vcs who are willing to look for them will be well rewarded.

  9. Brad G November 16, 2010

    Maybe the companies that aren’t going public in Silicon Valley are simply miserable businesses? You can talk impact till the cows come home, but if you’re missing fundamentals, it really doesn’t matter how many [non-monetizing] users you have.

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  11. Mav November 16, 2010

    One gripe Bill. Why don’t you write more often?

  12. herve November 16, 2010

    Interesting post just at the same moment a public company such as Isilon is acquired by EMC. Isilon went public in 2006 and did not have a good time in the following months though it has recovered…. And Isilon was based in Seattle, not in Silicon Valley. Yes, interesting…

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  14. Software Escrow November 17, 2010

    Nice post Bill and very good analysis 🙂

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  16. Si Chen November 17, 2010

    Nice post – It’s interesting to see that SarbOx and shareholder lawsuits has led to a dearth of quality tech companies in the public markets.

    However, aren’t there plenty of examples of public companies buying smaller venture backed companies at much higher revenue multiples than their own stock? For example, JAVA/MySQL, YHOO/Zimbra, VMWare and SpringSource are a few recent ones. Not that they all work out for the buyer, but buyers there still are….

    • bgurley November 17, 2010

      We are well aware…we (Benchmark) were investors in all three companies you mention.

  17. Mona DeFrawi November 17, 2010

    Bill, your excellent long-term perspective provides great clarity on the IPO markets — and highlights how our emotions – anxiety, pessimism, fear – play into the perceptions that have become an incorrect reality in the capital markets today. Fear sets in when people feel out of control, and most do not understand how the logistics and structure of the market work, and fail to notice that there are always companies who transcend even the worst of times to succeed (e.g. Opentable, Google, etc.). While many companies can “get out” into the public markets if they want to, the low valuations of recent years, and certainly the poor aftermarket performance – usually detached from performance fundamentals — have been negative enough to keep them at bay. The $60B a year in pulled IPOs globally the past three years is itself a huge statement in both desire and fear.

    There is much good news here – that surprisingly is still news for most of us: you can actively control your outcome in the public markets through a strong IRM function – Investor Relationship Management — the sales & marketing function for your stock. This isn’t brain surgery, it’s mostly plumbing. Benchmark’s OpenTable invested in a strong IRM for YEARS before their IPO, to come out in one of the worst markets to stellar and increasingly growing aftermarket performance. Their consumer brand helped, but their intelligent, consistent, numbers-based communications with future investors, developing solid relationships based on performance fundamentals allowed them to succeed regardless of market conditions. Stocks are complex products that must be carefully communicated in order for proper assessment and investment to occur. While all companies invest heavily in CRM for their Sales & Marketing functions to create value through their products that produce revenues, few are aware that they should invest just as acutely in IRM for their financial products which create value through equity. Equity value is a cornerstone of our Valley’s success and future, yet we’ve all remained hamstrung on IPOs for a decade now – and unnecessarily so.

    Many are just figuring this out now because the capital markets’ structure used to offer this function automatically, through the four horsemen, active brokerage and market making, etc., which disappeared around the last decade. These structural shifts, along with the new bulge bracket economics, the dominance of high frequency trading, bubble pessimism, and increased regulatory costs came together at the end of the last decade to permanently shift the market structure. Masked by the bubble bursting, it appeared to just be another market cycle crash. While market cycles ebb and flow and everyone expected that we were just in another cycle that would lift soon — and appeared to with the artificial real estate bubble activity — after a decade it should be clear to everyone that we are experiencing a market structure problem NOT a market cycle problem. This problem is permanent and will not change without intervention. However, companies can circumvent the structure, building their own, through excellent IRM. This is what we entrepreneurs do, after all, right? We create solutions for big challenges to deliver great value. Future legislation can also be considered to facilitate economic growth, but let’s not hold our breath waiting for DC to come up to speed soon. They’re so blind to the fact that the venture industry is THE growth engine of the US economy –and that it is our blocked growth path that is holding us all back — that they’re considering more tax regulations to correct for what they perceive as a solution to bubble mania and greed — and this will kill our economic growth even further.

    I managed the IRM function for companies through the 90’s, and have worked closely with the NVCA, venture & entrepreneurial communities since 2007 to change perceptions and offer solutions through InsideVenture (for which I was recruited by the venture industry, and which was acquired by SecondMarket in Oct. 2009). Now a year later, with perceptions and market conditions still unnecessarily negative for our venture-backed companies, I will soon launch an educational campaign and solutions designed to optimize late stage fundraising, IPO and aftermarket performance for our companies. Our solutions empower management teams to forge their own destiny regardless of market conditions, and provide the tools and services needed in the most time- and cost-effective ways by pooling resources at an industry level. Let’s work together to ensure that the perception begins to match the true reality: that Silicon Valley has created huge value – soon to be transitioned into public view for the rest of the economy to also invest in and benefit from.

    Thank you Bill helping perceptions match reality.

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  21. Giovanni November 18, 2010

    Great article

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  24. @smokejumper November 19, 2010

    Bill thanks for the thoughtful piece. I agree that Facebook is the exception to the norm. This time, however, can we have a healthy IPO market that is focused on fundamentals and avoid the irrational exuberance?


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  28. Mark Leslie (ex-CEO, Veritas Software) November 20, 2010

    I am looking forward to the day when we return to Silicon Valley basics. Where entrepreneurs want build a great company, create jobs and change the world, and where the IPO is merely the first step on a road to glory. It is a far greater virtue than aspiring to flip a young company for fast buck.

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